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[alexseanchai]

Soooo apparently there are people who think AFAB NB/GQ folks like myself having a presence in female-only spaces invalidates trans women's womanhood?

(1) ...well yeah, if these are spaces from which trans women are excluded. But the problem in that situation is hardly the inclusion of nonbinary and genderqueer folks in that space.

(2) Call it a "no men" space, let in trans women and AMAB NB/GQs, et voila. Or admit that by "female only" the organizers mean "AFAB only", et voila, but obviously this latter option is not exactly to be preferred.

(3) Fuck that identity-policing bullshit anyway.

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[sylvaine]

No men spaces: yes good.

ETA: though of course that gets complicated when it's a thing that would benefit trans men also. No cis men spaces?

[alexseanchai]

Yup

I am not actually sure about that latter. It sounds good in principle, but in practice a lot of trans men buy into toxic masculinity as part of Being A Man, and it's the toxicity that "no men" spaces are trying to bar.

[sylvaine]

You make a good point. I was thinking specifically of a situation my girlfriend was in with her former trans boyfriend, where the space in question was one about bdsm for queer women, and there'd just end up being more things there that would be applicable to them than in a similar space for cis men or het couples. But I admit that's a fairly specific situation.

[jelazakazone]

3. WORD.