apparently I am liveblogging Hercules

[alexseanchai]

*watches Disney's Hercules for the dozenth time*

...did Hades just persuade the Fates to prophesy by complimenting their appearance?

You know, this whole movie's plot relies on that one drop the kid didn't drink. Given the general properties of liquids, shouldn't Hades have provided more potion, so there'd be some margin for error?

The expression on the river centaur's face when Hercules checks to see whether he's a "sir" before saying "sir" to him! (Oh hey. Transphobia.)

Meg is love.

Got to admire how Hercules gets the last thing he needs to win against the Hydra thanks to Zeus. (Lightning always means Zeus.)

Is Zeus just making this shit up as he goes? (The whole "True Hero" thing.) Because in Disneyverse, I don't think apotheosis is a thing that happens—Hercules seems to be a special case in that he started out a full-blooded god and then got mortal-fied. Actually even if apotheosis is a thing that happens, Hercules is a special case here. So why would Zeus know anything about how to re-deify Hercules?

Esp since Hades doesn't apparently know how to re-deify Hercules. In fact doesn't seem aware it's possible until it's happened. "Is there a downside to this?"

Comments

[k_a_webb]

Of course Zeus is making things up as he goes. He's not the 'King' of the Gods for no reason - it's because he's really good at making shit up and getting people to go along with it. :D

I do love Hades in this version of Hercules.

[alexseanchai]

Ha ha yes.

I like his snark here. I just wish they'd done more of the "respectful treatment of the canon they're fanvidding", less of the "conflating with the Christian devil". The story of Heracles is fascinating in itself! It's just...not the story Disney wanted to tell.

[k_a_webb]

We can wish all we like, but it is Disney, sadly. They use what they want however they want - and they will, because they like the money. *sigh* I just have a tendency to look past their terribleness to the good and their Hades was a brilliant villain, who had just the right amount of snark. I did enjoy the scene with the Fates.

(My headcanon!Hades loves this film. He annoys everyone with it. :D)

[alexseanchai]

Yeah, true that.

Nod!

:)

[madgastronomer]

I can't stand to watch it. I once made it about fifteen minutes in because my eleven-year-old friend* wanted to watch it. I managed to remain silent mostly because the eleven-year-old was basically doing all my ranting for her. I have taught her well.

Making Hades the villain like that is blasphemy to me, and I can't stand it.

[madgastronomer]

*Right. Footnote. Eleven-year-old, whose stated gender is tomboy, is the child of one of my closest friends. I've known the kid since she was three days old, and helped take care of her in her first couple of months. She is sometimes interested in worshiping with me, and is particularly fond of Hermes and Artemis. She's a really terrific kid, smart and good-hearted and snarky and geeky.

And when she had her first crush on a girl this summer and was upset to tell her parents (who had, for reasons I never understood, never told her her dad's bi), they called me up to come take her out and make her feel better. I was so excited for her, once she was feeling better.

[alexseanchai]

:)

[alexseanchai]

Understood. Maybe I can stand to watch it because I met the movie so many years before my conversion experience?

[madgastronomer]

I'm sure. And I know a number of people who worship the Theoi who love the movie. I just can't stand to see him slandered so.

My current balm for portrayals of Hades as a Satan-figure or bad guy is Theia Mania. A different take in a number of ways, but I think you'll like her Athena.

[alexseanchai]

Shall peruse later, not much brain now, hence familiar Disney movies. Thanks for link!

[madgastronomer]

Nod, nod. Feel better.

[alexseanchai]

Thanks

[madgastronomer]

If this comment is confusing, come back to it later.

One thing to know about Theia Mania is that it has two currently-updating storylines, one of which is in the archives. That one is Daddy's Girl, the young Athena story. When you're reading the archives, that one comes to an abrupt stop, because the story isn't finished yet, and to follow it you have to either dig back through the archives every week or two, or go hit the Tumblr (there's a link to it somewhere on the site). The storyline that the site treats as current is the Persephone and Hades story, called Destroyer of Light.