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alexseanchai) wrote2019-08-19 04:34 pm
alexseanchai) wrote2019-08-19 04:34 pm
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All's Fair in Love and War (And Turnabout's Fair Play) (1177 words) by GalahadWilder
Chapters: 1/3
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Lila Rossi, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Alya Césaire, Nino Lahiffe, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
Additional Tags: Justice, comeuppance, Lila's Warped Perspective
Summary:
Lila Rossi can manipulate anyone—or so she thinks. She really shouldn’t have underestimated the deviousness of the boy who was born in the media spotlight.
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GalahadWilder subsequently in Discord cited this comic as inspiration for Lila in Turnabout
my response was p much "that's 100% correct but also entirely wrong" and now I have figured out how to articulate it:
yes, we all filter what we think before it becomes what we say, and modulate what we say in order to convey different things that will get different reactions
(or we get called weird for not doing that or for failing to do it right, whatever 'right' means)
but
most people are doing that because that's the compassionate thing to do
(like, "wow, that's a darwin award for sure" is not the thing one says to someone recently bereaved if one wishes to be kind to the recently bereaved, no matter how hilariously poorly thought-through were the actions that led to the death they're mourning)
and because that's the honest thing to do
(like, if I talk a lot about an aspect of your fic I don't like, and I say nothing about anything else in the fic, then you are likely to get the impression that I don't like that fic at all—which is a seriously dishonest representation of my opinion, if my actual opinion is, except the one bit I don't like, I love it to pieces)
and most people don't think about it that hard because most people find modulating this stuff comes easy to them
(most people are also neither autistic—and therefore needing to explicitly analyze the rules of engagement that we are explicitly told, as opposed to picking the rules up by osmosis and implication—nor trying to be dishonest, and often people aren't even trying to be unkind)
and most people, if they did think about it that hard, wouldn't think in terms of "what reaction do I want them to have"
more in terms of "how do I want them to feel"
and in terms of "what is the ethical thing I should do here"
Chapters: 1/3
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Lila Rossi, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Alya Césaire, Nino Lahiffe, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
Additional Tags: Justice, comeuppance, Lila's Warped Perspective
Summary:
Lila Rossi can manipulate anyone—or so she thinks. She really shouldn’t have underestimated the deviousness of the boy who was born in the media spotlight.
my response was p much "that's 100% correct but also entirely wrong" and now I have figured out how to articulate it:
yes, we all filter what we think before it becomes what we say, and modulate what we say in order to convey different things that will get different reactions
(or we get called weird for not doing that or for failing to do it right, whatever 'right' means)
but
most people are doing that because that's the compassionate thing to do
(like, "wow, that's a darwin award for sure" is not the thing one says to someone recently bereaved if one wishes to be kind to the recently bereaved, no matter how hilariously poorly thought-through were the actions that led to the death they're mourning)
and because that's the honest thing to do
(like, if I talk a lot about an aspect of your fic I don't like, and I say nothing about anything else in the fic, then you are likely to get the impression that I don't like that fic at all—which is a seriously dishonest representation of my opinion, if my actual opinion is, except the one bit I don't like, I love it to pieces)
and most people don't think about it that hard because most people find modulating this stuff comes easy to them
(most people are also neither autistic—and therefore needing to explicitly analyze the rules of engagement that we are explicitly told, as opposed to picking the rules up by osmosis and implication—nor trying to be dishonest, and often people aren't even trying to be unkind)
and most people, if they did think about it that hard, wouldn't think in terms of "what reaction do I want them to have"
more in terms of "how do I want them to feel"
and in terms of "what is the ethical thing I should do here"
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Lila's contention in Turnabout is, for reasons similar to those laid out in the comic, she's the most honest person in most rooms. And the reasoning is…well, it's correct, but it brings her to a hella wrong conclusion. I have no idea how else to phrase this.
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(There's probably also a solid argument to be made that the premise that they're the most honest person in the room is wrong, or that honesty needs to be very carefully defined before going forward.)